Looking at buying a 6.9 SEL

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Sars

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Hi to you all!

I have been interested in getting one of these classics for a while.
My father did have a 450 SEL in the 70s and I have great memories of it.
This is the main reason why I looking around atm.

Just wanted some advice on price and things to look for.
I have read the thread on buying advice but is there anything else?

People that I have spoke to have told me to look for rust and make sure the hydraulic suspension is working order.

Thanks in advance for your advice.

Lawrence
 

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Rust is a problem that needs looking at when buying ANY classic car. Rust high up in the firewall, on each side is a place to go looking, as in any W116.
Other than that, have a good look for rust in all the areas you would look for in other cars, especially around windows, etc. Have a look for splitting , that may reveal evidence of 'bogged up' fibreglass or putty work under the paint.

The water pump is an achilles heel for a 6.9, and is specialised to the 6.9. A reconditioned replacement is the normal way to go. The water pump can be checked for noisy operation, by using a very large screwdriver as a stethoscope. Keep the screwdriver WELL away from the fanblades!
The hydraulic fan clutch should be checked for correct function, if the engine runs hot.

A compression test should be carried out if considering the purchase of any classic car. Check on the condition of all hoses and belts, also common for any car. Good idea to check the spark plugs when this done.
Check for exhaust pipe smoke.

Need to find out when the timing chain was last replaced, or at least to investigate if a replacement is required. That is usually done AFTER purchase, unfortunately. Sometimes, the previous owner will be able to provide you with that information, and evidence via receipt, if the previous owner has had it done.

Look for oil leaks, especially in relation to all suspension components, under the gearbox, around the rear main seal, and in the area of the diff. Listen for diff noise when the car is on the road. The front main seal is also a source for leaks, if the oil seal around the harmonic engine balancer needs replacing.

When the car is on the road, listen for creaks and groans. It could mean the front suspension bushings need replacement, or perhaps the ball socket mountings for the front struts. With that great chunk of 6.9 cast iron engine over the front wheels, the tyres and front suspension have a lot of work to do, especially it the car is fitted with low profile tyres. Look for even tyre wear, correct wheel alignment with these beasts is essential.

Check the gearbox for smooth changes without flaring, and check the gearbox oil, for a burnt smell.

I would guess that you would already know about the suspension, and if it allows the car to sag or not. If it does, it needs to be investigated.

Check for correct operation of the pneumatic locking system and electric window operation, also common for all V8 W116's.

Lift up the carpets and have a smell for evidence of moisture being there, at sometime in the past. Moisture that has been allowed to accumulate under the insulation / sound deadening can cause rust in the floor pan. Have a quick look at the area above the dashboard for cracks. Look closely at the operation of the sun roof and of evidence of rust, especially along the leading edge.

Have a look at the brake pads and discs, and ask when they were last replaced.

Look closely at the condition of the upholstery, especially the driver's seat. Expect to find at least minor cracking of the leather here. Easily hidden with seat covers.

A lot of these checks are standard for any classic car.

Might be a good idea to write up a dot point checklist for yourself, and take that with you. When you have seen a car that you may consider to buy, get a rough estimate of all of the work that might be required and prioritise that work the way you see fit.

There a few of them around when you REALLY go looking. The example that you find in the best condition should also work out in the long run to be the cheapest to buy, in terms of overall cost. Take lots of time and patience. Be choosy. Ask for all receipts that the previous owner has kept. If work has been done and there is no receipt, ask why.

If you get a nice example, it will be the source of a lot of automotive satisfaction.
 
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Michel

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Hi Lawrence and welcome to TK (Topklasse-the Forum)

6.9s are the ultimate in the W116 series.

Get a clean one, or one that has been looked after or even one that needs minor work.

I even think the Godfather might know of one for sale and it's not that dear!
 
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Sars

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Thanks SEL_69L and Michel

Couple in Brisbane for sale atm

Going to contact them next week and start asking questions about them.

SEL_69L a check sound like a great plan.

Thanks again and have a good weekend!
 

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SARS, if you find a car, try and post details on TK, and also possibly some photos. Like with most older classics, there will be some shortcomings and faults in a number of areas, and most will be age related. For instance, as far as the interior is concerned, pay attention to condition of leather, separation of stitching on the pleats, a collapsed rear seat and padding, fading and crumbling of the rear parcel shelf, de lamination of the gearbox console wood and switch panel, cracking of dash, smooth operation of heater control levers and hardening/stiffening of carpets. Also make sure that all electric windows operate satisfactorily. Operation of sliding sunroof is another item to be tested.

Rectification, refurbishment of any of the above items can be costly and time consuming. Of course, a lot depends on you - how good a car do you want, and to what degree you are prepared to forgive the car its age, and condition.

Mechanically, from a major mechanical points of view, the cars are quite fool proof, particularly engines and gearboxes. Diffs can be a little hummy sometimes, but most components will last well. Naturally, it's nice to have a car with good paintwork, but it is easy enough to judge that. Have a good look at window and door rubbers, and it is nice to have shiny and unmarked bright trim.

Regarding invoices and past work carried out - most invoices if older than say five years, are of little value other than novelty and to say that "at least someone" has been prepared to having spent money on the car in days gone by. Recent invoices are of far greater importance. I am afraid that 116s, and that extends to 6.9s, can be much neglected cars, and illustrate non-caring ownership for a variety of reasons. Looking after a 116 (450-280-350-6.9) is an ongoing process - I attend to many nick nacks when I work on Gleaming Beauty (my 6.9) that will invariably require time by an owner, and not by a qualified mechanic THAT DOES NOT OWN YOUR CAR. That can be a major factor as to how good a car can be. You can always give me a mobile call if you wish to talk about a car that you may fancy. Regards. Styria

N.B. Hope you will enjoy TK, and that you will find time and inclination to contribute actively.
 
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